Let’s take a look at the latest developments


A great number of you have participated in our survey on origin. The current results are: 42% for Swiss Made according to the Law of Swissness, 42% for non-Swiss Made and 16% for exclusively Swiss production. It is very tight between the first two to say the least! These results are changing from day to day, and the non-Swiss Made model is increasing in popularity as our audience becomes more international. Based on this survey and the numerous messages and comments we have received, it would appear that what matters most to people is the design, the price and the overall quality of the product.



It seemed important to us to address the very controversial Swiss Made label. For our part, we have decided to push it to the background, and to focus on the product. As you will have understood, flawless quality, a strong design and excellent value for money are invariable criteria for all of our timepieces. Through our TTO label – Total Transparency on Origin – we want to demonstrate that there are high-quality companies all over the world, and that the real added value of Switzerland is the ability to utilize this talent like no other.

Therefore, in our collections you will find models with components originating from all four corners of the world, as well as from Switzerland, of course, though the latter will be not be chosen with the aim of adhering to Swiss Made criteria, rather simply because the movement or component in question has a defining feature that appeals to us. This also has implications for price differences between models, which can be high.

We are aware that this approach goes against traditional marketing rules, but we believe that our transparency on origin and cost will allow us to put emphasis on the product without having to worry about market positioning. We will be able to explain how we arrived at the displayed price for each model.


M. Biver has made a request to the FH (Swiss Watchmaking Federation) to revise to Law of Swissness for connected watches, with the aim of allowing the affixing of the Swiss Made reference. Are we the only ones who think that this makes no sense? Is this not an opportunity to prove that what really matters is the talent of the conductor, and that the origin of the participants has little bearing on their quality? An amusing alternative would be to change the Swiss Made label for “SWISS BRAIN INSIDE”!

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We have already made an initial prototype using 3D printing. Its 41mm size seems right; on the other hand the lugs would benefit from being more plunging. The cut on the side is too pronounced and long. The bezel seems a little thin. We will require one or two more 3D printed prototypes before approving the design. The advantage of resin models is that they only cost $30 and can be obtained in a matter of days.


The technical study will allow us to approve the construction, and to issue calls for tenders to subcontractors in order to precisely define the costs of production, and thus the final public prix.


The realistic prototype will allow us to approve the model in its entirety. It is important to resolve as many problems as possible with the 3D printed models, as realistic prototypes cost around $2,000 and take 2 to 3 months to create.


Our timepieces are intended for people who, like us, are fascinated by mechanical watches, particularly by those whose mechanism is an integral part of its esthetic. Unfortunately these are often prohibitively expensive. Our aim is to create watches equipped with standard movements, but with a notably mechanical esthetic. We want the face to be an extension of the movement. That said, we plan to create a few units with exceptional movements which, thanks to our distribution and price policy, will remain very affordable. Find out more on August 17th.
Goldgena montre tto


Following the presentation of our first design, we received plenty of comments. On the whole they have been very positive opinions. Here are a few interesting and constructive comments which came up frequently:


8 out of every 10 watches sold worldwide are round; the real challenge is to reinvent the round case and, without meaning to blow our own horn, I believe we are doing just fine. 😉


Many people have let us know that they don’t like ‘Goldgena’ as a brand name this is something we will be reviewing in our next chapter.


Here is a version of our design based on the ETA 2893 movement which we spoke of at the time of the presentation of our design.


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Design: Switzerland
Coordination: Switzerland
Movement: Japan
Case: China
Dial: China
Bracelet: China/Italy
Assembly: China
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Design: Switzerland
Coordination: Switzerland
Movement: Switzerland
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Dial: China
Bracelet: China/Italy
Assembly: Switzerland
Swiss-made: Yes


The shape and dimension are naturally very important aspects, but the colors and materials must not be underestimated, as they can bring a design to life in a very different way. Tell us what you think.


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104 thoughts on “Let’s take a look at the latest developments

  1. Benoît GAUME says:


    J’adore votre projet mais au fil des volets, le résultat me parait beaucoup trop typé sport … Le marché du luxe est saturé de montres typées sport … Je n’ai pas envie de porter la G-Shock de mon fils.

    J’aurais rêvé d’une montre de ville très sobre, sans balancier apparent (ce qui fait toujours un peu chinois si ça n’est pas un véritable tourbillon …), un cadran grand-feu, des aiguilles feuille bleuies, un mouvement manuel, une RDM, une petite seconde, c’est tout … Le luxe dans la simplicité un peu dans le style Pascal Coyon (sauf qu’il n’a pas osé l’émail)…

    Enfin c’est juste mon avis.

    Bon courage.

    • Claudio says:

      Merci pour votre commentaire. C’est vrai qu’on est pas mal sport! Mais en fait le challenge de “réinventer” la montre de ville me plait bien. Je suis sûr qu’il y a des choses à faire: être sobre mais avec quelque chose de nouveau et chargé de caractère. J’aime la Portuguese de IWC par exemple, mais il faudrai quelque chose de plus. A suivre …

  2. chinazzi says:

    Bonjout et bravo quelle sera la taille du boitier. Ne pouvez vous pas proposer un mouvement mécanique (remontage manuel)

    • Claudio says:

      Bonjour, Merci! Pour le moment on est sur du 41… mais je me demande si on devrait pas pousser à 42mm??? qu’en pensez-vous? Il est possible qu’on propose un mouvement à remontage mécanique… pourquoi pas.

  3. Wallingford says:

    Ce que j’apprécie avant tout ce sont les complications dans une montre mécanique. Un quantième me parait le minimum. J’aimerai aussi les phases de lune.
    Je suis d’accord avec le fait qu’en dehors de vrai tourbillon, il ne sert à rien de montrer le balancier.
    Il y a un petit côté Greubel Forsey intéressant mais le choix sport ne me dérange pas.

    • Claudio says:

      C’est vrai que la phase de lune revient quelque fois dans les commentaires mais nous avons opté pour une complication un peu plus utile dans le quotidien, le deuxième fuseau horaire.

  4. anhhuynguyen says:

    Les gens qui critiquent la forme de la boîte sont des pisse-foid! On a un bon équilibre entre le rond banal et le carré.
    Plus je la vois, moins je suis fan du balancier visible, mais le reste du design avec les disques est très sympa. La variante avec l’ETA est un peu plus élégante tandis que la Miyota est plus sportive.
    J’ai flashé sur le modèle en carbone usiné avec des touches de jaune dans la boîte et le cadran noir, même s’il ne fait clairement pas l’unanimité!

    • Claudio says:

      Oui c’est vrai la version carbone noir/jaune ne fait pas l’unanimité mais je la trouve aussi sympa! Il faut des pièces qui sortent un peu du lot même si au final c’est les pièces les plus standards qui font le volume.

  5. sebastien says:

    Bonjour, une nette préférence pour la “Made in Suisse” avec la tracteur ETA c’est une image de fiabilité.
    Par ailleurs, en effet le nom de marque Goldgena est pas evident à prononcer, un nom court est à mon avis à privilégier.
    Les aficionados ont tendance à s’approprier les marques , la daytona est devenu la dayto. Pourquoi pas tout simplement une TTO
    En tout cas bravo, le design est super sympa même si je suis beaucoup plus adeptes des complications comme chrono , espérant que cela verra le jour dans vos réalisation.

    • Claudio says:

      Oui c’est vrai les mouvements ETA sont de très haute qualité. Mais si nous optons pour du MIYOTA dans certains de nos modèles c’est que nous sommes sûr de leur fiabilité et de leur grande qualité. Un chrono… pas exlu dans le futur. Pour la marque… oui dans notre prochain Volet on va aller explore plusieurs pistes.

  6. Guislain louis says:

    Le désigne me plais beaucoup, par contre une couleur tel qu un rouge Lucifer accompagner d un boîtier et un bracelet noir mat aurais été sympa.
    En espérant bientôt voir ce modèle dans certains magasins, elle pourrait remplacer ma festina de 2006 (édition limitée tour de France) que je ne quitte jamais.

  7. pica1000 says:

    J’apprécie depuis le début votre démarche. Je suis d’accord avec les personnes qui pensent que le nom n’est pas top.
    Vivement la suite!

  8. Patrick Magnin says:


    Je trouve le cornes trop fine je les épaissirais et de ce fait il faudra diminuer les deux tourillons qui sont de chaque coté du cuir.

    Cordialement et bonne journée.

  9. T L says:

    Un peu surprise tout de même … j’avais de loin validé le concept et la démarche, pleine de bon sens …
    Adepte des ruptures avec les codes trop classiques, j’ai découvert le design et approuvée avec enthousiasme…

    Par contre grosse déception de constater sur la version Suisse-made : une boite, un cadran et un bracelet from China ! Vous n’allez pas me faire croire que nous manquons d’artisans dans ce domaine ? En Suisse ou en France, des entreprises dont c’est le métier, des entreprises qui ont grandies avec l’industrie horlogère ( #légitimité #qualité) existent en suffisamment grand-nombre je trouve … Si c’est une question de coût, je ne crois pas me tromper en disant qu’un bracelet manufacturé en Suisse ou en France peut quasiment faire face à une confection chinoise sans doute moins qualitative …

    Ma question : Quelle est la légitimité du choix d’un sourcing Asiat sur des composants dont nous maîtrisons parfaitement la production ?

    • Claudio says:

      Malheureusement la réalité pour quasi toutes les montres swiss made avec un prix public en dessous de 3000chf est que la boite, le cadran et le bracelet provient de l’étranger. Tout est ensuite rapatrié en Suisse pour l’assemblage, l’emboitage du mouvement “suisse” et le contrôle qualité. Au dessus de 3000 chf on commence à trouver de plus en plus de composants suisses. Dans tous les cas il est intéressant de faire des demandes d’offre en suisse et à l’étranger car on est parfois surpris. Comme expliqué, même si les montres swiss made actuelles ont la majorité de leurs composants provenant d’Asie la qualité est au rendez-vous! Et elle est équivalente à un production suisse.

  10. Stan W. says:

    Bravo! J’aime beaucoup le design mais ce que je trouve remarquable c’est le fait que vous nous emmenez avec vous dans la création d’une montre, d’une marque… peut être d’une révolution? J’aime beaucoup.

    • Claudio says:

      Nous voulons tout partager et rien n’est écrit à l’avance. L’aventure évolue au fil des volets et nous prenons des directions qui n’étaient pas forcément prévues au départ… Vos feedback nous sont très utiles!

  11. Fred says:

    Very interesting! Well there is some special colours that don’t have so much popularity but that are very cool! ANd we all know that at the end of the dy what sells is the most standard version. But one or 2 talking piece like you have would be helpfull for the global collection!

  12. Max Teranova says:

    Le design évolue bien est c’est vrai les couleurs et matières peuvent transformer complètement la pièce. C’est pas mal! Bravo mais je pense que le design peut encore s’améliorer 😉 Il est déjà exceptionnel mais je suis sûr que vous pouvez encore nous surprendre!

    • Claudio says:

      Je suis d’accord, il y a encore des choses qui me chiffonnent dans le design actuel et on est en train de travailler sur des améliorations. A suivre 😉

  13. Jack Stann says:

    Interesting! I discover this amazing project and I thought watchmaking was dead and that nothing would never surprise me anymore and then I came here… You might be the next Hublot! Certainly the potential to be in the next generation of big and innovative brands!

  14. Kevin says:


    Ce projet prend de plus en plus de belles formes et de qualités.

    Je trouve le concept de plus en plus abouti, et, reste fidèle à celui-ci.

    Tous mes encouragements à vous, continuez à nous changer de la sphère classique.

  15. anhhuynguyen says:

    Je me demandais si vous aviez envisagé une version ‘bronze’ parce que quand je vois vos rendus en or rouge, la couleur tire nettement plus vers celle de la Tudor BB bronze que vers de l’or 4N ou 5N.
    A mon avis, le design pourrait s’y prêter.

  16. chinazzi says:

    Merci pour la réponse, 41mm voir 40 me paraissent bien et pour le remontage mécanique ce serait une façon indéniable de se démarquer de la concurrence par exemple la hamilton kaki field mecanique me fait rever metci pour votre action

  17. aymericbondelu says:

    Superbes !! Le plus difficile c’est l’attente.
    En plus de la gamme ne serait il pas possible d’avoir un Modele customisable ?

      • aymericbondelu says:

        Ce serai par exemple pour un design donné, pouvoir choisir la texture du bracelet, demander un imprimé spécifique dans le cadran ou sur le bracelet.
        Sans être vraiment hors catalogue avoir la sensation de posséder un Modele unique.

  18. Mathieu says:

    Je pourrai bien être votre premier client de la version en carbone usiné (la dernière avec le bracelet troué)… SI mouvement suisse ;-))

    Bonne chance pour la suite.

    P.S.: oui, nom à changer !

    • Claudio says:

      Merci pour votre commentaire. Dans nos collections nous aurons des modèles avec des mouvements et/ou composants étrangers et dans d’autres des mouvements et/ou composants suisses… ce qui ne changera pas c’est la qualité! J’espère que vous trouverez votre bonheur.

  19. Robert says:

    Si je comprends bien 58% des personnes ayant votées optent pour une fabrication swissmade ou 100% suisse et vous vous dirigez vers du non – swissmade pourquoi ce choix ? Pourquoi demander l’avis aux personnes qui vous suivent alors que la décision de faire du non – swissmade semblait déjà arrêtée ?

    Du coup à part un design atypique plutôt sympa d’ailleurs qu’offrez-vous de plus qu’une certina DS 1 avec mouvement powermatic. Montre à la fois moins chère, qui correspond aux critères swissmade et qui embarque un mouvement aux caractéristiques meilleures que le miyota !

    Merci d’avance pour votre réponse

    Bonne continuation !

    • Claudio says:

      Bonjour Robert, merci pour votre message. Comme expliqué, il semblait nécessaire de faire l’état des lieux du swiss made mais nous allons maintenant le mettre au second plan pour nous concentrer sur le produit. Ce qui veut dire que dans nos collections nous aurons des modèles avec des mouvements et/ou composants étrangers et dans d’autres des mouvements et/ou composants suisses mais ces derniers ne seront pas choisis pour répondre aux critères du swiss made mais juste parce qu’il nous intéressent. Nos critères invariables seront: une qualité irréprochable, un design fort et un rapport qualité/prix élevé. Au travers de notre Label TTO – Transparence Totale sur l’Origine – nous voulons démontrer qu’il y a des entreprises de qualité partout dans le monde et que la vraie valeur ajoutée de la Suisse c’est de savoir les orchestrer comme nul autre.

      Quant à la Certina… Le prix est lié à la complexité de fabrication. Dans notre cas nous avons un cadran relativement coûteux et des pièces ajoutées sur la boîte mais c’est ce qui lui donne sa particularité. Quant aux mouvements, les deux sont de très bonne qualité et les différences minimes.

    • Claudio says:

      Hi Franky, Thanks for your feedback 😉 During the suummer we will share all the development and in September we will have a crowdfunding campaign to fund our project this will be also the moment to pre-order your watch!

  20. Jim Manishin says:

    Love the pink gold watches. Not certain which band to choose. HAve you ever thought about a left handed model with the stem on the left? – Jim

  21. caurfe1 says:

    Undoubtedly I prefer the mechanism MOVEMENT ETA 2893. It is very important to choose this mechanism because I have several clocks with this sistem and it works great

      • Tom says:

        I have a few 9015 Miyotas, work perfect and a perfect “cost-alternative” to the ETA’s.
        Goldgena not a really good name. Why “Gold”?

        IMHO. Good luck with the project. Don’t make the foreplay too long. 🙂

  22. caurfe1 says:

    Undoubtedly I prefer the ALL BLACK desigm. It is sober, and gives a sense of strength and cleaning. I prefer a classic design

  23. Sudipto says:

    I love watches. I’d definitely like to have one of your watch, but I don’t think I can afford it, anyway I wish you all the best on this beautiful project. May god be with you and make your work a grand success. I’ll be following you guys.

    • Claudio says:

      Thanky you very much for you comment! Well if we go with the MIYOTA movement we will be at around 500-700$ retail price so I don’t know what your budget is but we are far from the high end watches prices.

  24. Bernardo says:

    All models are beautiful, if i had the amazing opportunity to become part of your team and project it would be a dream come true. I am a watch fanatic and long for movement precision without compromising design.
    I know that in recent times, japan has been producing amazing movements, perhaps even better than swiss counterparts. I believe that western society has been somewhat “infected” with the idea that swiss movement is superior to everything else.
    Swiss movement and watch companies have a trail of history and craftmanship, however this is no symbol of precision or accuracy etc… Due to marketing and social celebrity endorsement, people have become subject into buying expensive watches which parts are manufactured in china then exported to switzerland and assembled there. I support this project fully. As long as the design is flawless and the movement proves some pride and somekind of movement precision credential then i will most definately be investing in one of these.
    And with regards to the name. Any name is as good as you believe it is.
    The biggest slogans, logos, and brand names have all gained its reputation due to some kind of global event where it has reached masses of people in a short period of time thus becoming famous.
    Goldgena all the way

      • Bernardo says:

        Dear Claudio

        Im a delighted with your response.
        I have a business university degree in management and advertising.

        I believe my strenghts lay in consumer behaviour and psychological perception of branding and global trends.

        I know, that there are a lot of emerging watch brands with japanese movements, and entering this market is going to be very dificult.

        All of these are relying on social media, and said brands have been very successful.

        Having that element of exclusiveness and enabling the consumer become part of the launch of this product from start to finish is unique.

        There has to be a unique selling point which i believe, in my opinion, you have achieved. However, exposure has to increase significantly. Aim for the goal, and the little details will take care of themselves.

        What makes a good watch is the first impression. When you hold a watch for the first time, and you feel that you have a fine timepiece brings warmth. (It does to me when i bought my first very expensive mechanical watch) the unboxing experience. Every element plays a huge part of the consumers psychology and brand perception.

        Last but not least and perhaps most importantly, we all rely on community connection, which again, you have pin pointed to perfection.

        I hope to hear from you soon


        • Claudio says:

          Thank for your reply, again interesting points! Yes community connection is really important especially in our project where we have no advertisement budget. We want to create a special brand with special people and we are very happy to have so many enthusiastic followers. But will it be enough? Of course we need even more exposure and passionate people that will share and comment… but we have a great community and I’m sure we are on a good track.

    • Claudio says:

      Hi Ashish, thank you for your interest, for the moment we didn’t plan to use traditional distribution networks. We might still work with retailers in the future but not in the traditional way… we will talk about that in a one of our next chapter.

  25. Karan Bhatia says:

    Hi guys it’s great to see crowd funding entering the horological market.Being a watch connoisseur myself I have always thought that the good watch makers have very expensive products which are difficult for a common person to buy.I quite like the shape and asthenosphere of the watch. The name GOLDGENA is not that bad either.J feel that watch us just not for seeing time it’s an accessory which reflects your character! I quite like the aesthetics of the watch!!While selling the watches I think would not be a major issue you should also have a great support service to really shake up the market!!!

  26. Scotch Haley says:

    Looking forward to seeing how this all comes together. I will be following the development and waiting for the chance to get my hands on the finished product…

  27. Vaughan says:

    While we live in a stereotypical world, I believe anyone who strives for excellence can achieve whatever they wish be it Swiss watches or Japanese whiskey.

    A small suggestion in regards to the name drop the Gold and go with just GENA,it has a better ring to it and sounds solid.

    Great project and good going for the future!

  28. Sam says:

    Le concept de votre design est tout simplement magnifique, je trouve que l’idée derrière tout ça est simplement génial.

    Ma question est, comment pourais-je en obtenir l’un de vos modèles? Ici, dans le province de Québec, auriez vous un distributeur?

    • Claudio says:

      Bonjour Sam, merci pour votre message. En fait nous aurons une campagne de crowdfunding en octobre et vous pourrez pré-commander un modèle. Pas de problème pour le Québec, nous livrerons dans le monde entier. En attendant inscrivez-vous et continuez à suivre le développement avec nous 😉

  29. Jeff says:

    Hello Goldgena Project. I just found this group on Instagram this evening. I will be reading the prior stories shortly, but I wanted to take a moment and share my excitement for watching this project grow.

    I do not see a problem with the name. There are many brands and companies with confusing labels or names based off of the family name of the creator. If the product is sound and viewed as a quality piece, the name will be accepted and develop it’s own authority.

    If you are still looking to expand your team, I would like to talk with you. I am a copywriter by trade, and currently building my own company with my wife, I understand the struggle of being new and convincing others of your worth. If you need help with copy or would like some proofreading or editing for any U.S. English ads, or blog posts, I would be happy to help.

    • Claudio says:

      Hello Jeff, sorry for my late reply… time flies so quick! Yes could be interesting to talk about collaboration. Please send me an email trough the contact page and we can continue the discussion.

    • Claudio says:

      Thank you for your comment ? We will have a crowdfunding campaign in October where you will be able to pre-order. This model will be at around 600usd. Simply register and you will be able to follow the development and give your opinion.


    I am Praveen Kashyap from India I saw your page and liked your design very much . Please let me know you can ship this to Mumbai,India & let me know the price as well .

    • Claudio says:

      Thank you for your comment ? We will have a crowdfunding campaign in October where you will be able to pre-order. This model will be at around 600usd. Simply register and you will be able to follow the development and give your opinion.

    • Claudio says:

      Thank you for your comment 😉 We will have a crowdfunding campaign in October where you will be able to pre-order. This model will be at around 600usd. Simply register and you will be able to follow the development and give your opinion.

        • claudio says:

          Thank you 🙂 The crowdfunding is planned for 7th November… So stay tuned! Did you register? Because the first people to order will get significant reduction.


    I am Pravin singh from India I saw your page and liked your design very much . Please let me know you can ship this to PATNA,India & let me know the price as well .

  32. Antonio Armando Manca says:

    Hallo, People! My best compliments (I am proud to be Italian as Claudio is) for your business initiative. Are you seriously interested in our comments? I really appreciate your fashinating wristwatches, as I hope that you would appreciate a little comment about your website functionality: by clicking each thumbs-up and thumbs-down icon, its pertinent counter increases one unit each clik. So I can click many times the same watch (up or down) to express my preference many times. I hope to be wrong, because in that case you would get the wrong data.

    • Claudio says:

      Ciao Antonio 😉
      Thank you very much for your message and sorry for my late reply, we are a little bit overloaded 🙂

      Yes of course we are interested in your comments! This project was born with the community.

      Thank you for your information about the liking system, you are right it should be one time only. Ot looks that it doesn’t work all the time. I’ll pass the info to our web developper.

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